What about Ewen Cameron?
He was a very nice chap. Very agreeable. Yes, I liked Ewan Cameron. I had more than one connection with the Allan Memorial Institute because they had a social club and we used to correspond with them so I went to the Allan when I was in Canada, which would be about 1957, I would think. That’s when I met Cameron.
What was the Allan like?
I thought it was a good place, I liked it.
Were you aware of any controversy?
No. When you visit another country you’re shown things that they want to show you and that they think you’ll approve of.
You weren’t aware of what was happening there – the depatterning and so on?
If you go and visit a place for a day, you never hear about this. You get to see the best.
I’m in touch with one patient who was put to sleep for months and given repeated doses of SCT – and lost her memory as a result.
People were experimenting with deep sleep treatment and regressive treatments and regressive and sensory deprivation treatments and this sounds like the extreme end of it.
Something that’s out of date but not necessarily very bad?
It’s not something that I would ever contemplate doing but I can imagine that there would be a number of people who would go along with this sort of treatment at that time. I think that’s the best thing to say about it.
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Second interview – on British government/intelligence services’ support for work involving LSD in the 1950s and 60s
This interview, by telephone, came about after I stumbled on documents at the Public Records Office indicating that Britain’s intelligence services had contemplated using LSD as a truth drug in the early 1950s – and that practical research was underway. One of the names in the documents was a prominent physician [whose name I have obscured here, as well as certain other details that might serve to identify him - for legal reasons] – who appeared to be advising the British government on LSD’s potential in the intelligence/military world. I wanted to know about this man, so asked Sandison whether he had ever come across him. The results were surprising.
Have you ever heard of **** **** – and his use of LSD?
[Of course I’ve heard of him!] I’m not absolutely sure. He certainly wasn’t using [LSD] clinically. My main contact with him was as somebody who was supporting our work. I assumed that he was taking an academic interest…
But here there is a declassified file from Porton Down – and he is on the panel.
I’m not quite sure how much work he did. His first published work was on the use of **** [drug]. That’s what he was really known for. I don’t think he was particularly known for his work with LSD. But he did play an important role in the WHO conference on ataractic drugs and hallucinogenic drugs. But I thought his main work was on the **** group [of drugs]
Did he ever mention to you any work with LSD that he was doing?
No. Or if he did, it didn’t register with me
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